AUSTRALIA - REMOTE INTERNET TELESCOPE SYSTEM
Hosted by the Grove Creek Observatory

Image the skies with powerful telescopes from the comfort of your home computer!
Go to SkyLive main web site, register for a username and download the free client software.
Free to chat, view and download the live CCD images!

This web page is dedicated to the 2 internet telescopes at the Grove Creek Observatory in Australia only.
For the primary (English version) web site in Italy, please click on the following:


SkyLive Home Page in Italy

News 30th June:

TELESCOPE 6: The newly re-built SBIG ST-8XE CCD camera is now back on the C14, with fantastic results! However, we were UNABLE to provide par-focal
                         rvb filters on Telescope 6 (but they are close) so we advise you use Telescope 5 for photometry.

TELESCOPE 5: The 12" LX-200 is now fully operational with new GOTO motors and a new control panel. The PC has been rebuilt and the ST-10XME
                        has been installed with RVBIC filters to be used as a dedicated photometric telescope. The only problem at the moment is that a
                        mouse infestation has destroyed the UPS for the PC, which will have to be replaced.

The 2 SkyLive Telescopes installed at the Grove Creek Observatory, Australia:


Telescope 5 (Photometric)
Meade 12" LX-200 Schmidt Cassegrain
SBIG ST-10XME and CFW-8a Filter Wheel
Focal Length = 1,770mm Aperture = 300mm Focal Ratio = f/5.9
Field of View = 19.4 x 28.8^mins. Scale=1.58^secs/pixel Bin2x2
r V b i C Photometric Filters installed 


Telescope 6
Celestron 14" Schmidt Cassegrain

SBIG ST-8XE and CFW-10a Filter Wheel
Focal Length = 2,471mm Aperture = 356mm Focal Ratio = f/6.94
Field of View = 12.8x19.1^mins. Image Scale = 1.5^sec/pixel Bin2x2
R G B L SII Ha OIII r V b filters installed

CLICK HERE TO SEE THE SBIG ST-8XE IMAGES TAKEN
CLICK HERE TO SEE THE SBIG ST-10XME IMAGES TAKEN.

OBSERVING SITE DATA:

Grove Creek Observatory, Trunkey Creek, Australia: (Telescope 5 and 6):
Latitude
: 33° 49' 46.5" South. Longitude: 149° 21' 58.9" East. 
Elevation: 924m. Time Zone: +10 UT (AEST)
Click here for the LIVE weather conditions at the Grove Creek Observatory
Click here to see the Grove Creek Observatory in Google Earth

SkyLive Observatory in Sicily (Telescopes 1 - 4 and 7):
 
Latitude: 37° 36' 09.4" North. Longitude: 15° 04' 15.1" East. Elevation: 495m. Time Zone: +2UT
Click here to see the SkyLive Observatory in Google Earth

Need to convert times for your local location? Download Microsoft Time Zone and add
"Sydney, Australia" and "Rome, Italy". Then you have the local telescope times.

Click here for instructions and downloads on how to slew the telescopes
using SkyMap Planetarium software locally from your own PC

Need some help? Click here for some tours on the easy-to-use online telescope client.
Still stuck? Please email SkyLive directly. (Grove Creek can not provide user support)

Suggested Optional Software for SkyLive Telescope Users:
Windows Live Messenger, Skype : For instant online technical support
 Microsoft Time Zone : For local times for the telescopes (add Sydney, Australia and Rome, Italy)
The Sky or SkyMapper : To search and image current objects are in the sky
CCDSoft or MaxIm DL : .FIT astronomical image processing software for expert users

What is the SkyLive Project at Grove Creek?

Steven Williams
Grove Creek
Ivan Bellia
President
Giovanni Verga
Vice President
Sandro Aliano
SkyLive Software
Giorgio Bianciardi
Public Relations
Franco Lanza
Programmer

The SkyLive Telescope project is a non-profit joint collaboration between SkyLive in Italy and the Grove Creek Observatory in New South Wales, Australia, run by Steven Williams. It consists of two fully internet remote controlled telescopes, one a Meade 12" LX-200 & SBIG ST10-XME CCD camera, housed in Grove Creek's Western Observatory and the other a Celestron C14 on a Astro-Physics 1200-GTO with a SBIG ST8-XE CCD camera, housed in Grove Creek's Middle Observatory. Both buildings are motorised remote controlled sliding-roof type observatories located west of the main domed observatory facility at the Grove Creek Observatory complex. The telescopes are provided by Grove Creek to SkyLive at no cost, for the benefit of the general public, students, amateur and professional astronomers. Grove Creek Observatory boasts one of the darkest sky conditions in Australia with a visual limiting magnitude of 7.37.

History & Description:

On the 3rd of November, 2007, we were contacted by the managers of the SkyLive project in Italy, Mr. Ivan Bellia and Mr. Giovanni Verga. They asked us if we would be interested in being part of a remote internet telescope system that was involved with the Italian Astronomical Union, SkyLive, that had been operating since 2001. We already had a remote internet telescope in place for the past 3 years for Wheaton College in the USA, called the Wheaton Telescope but this was for the exclusive use of Wheaton students only. Since we ceased public tours in September, 2007, we now had available telescopes that could be used for such dedicated roles. However, we wanted to ensure that our non-profit status was kept and that any other organisation we worked with in the future, would have the same goals as Grove Creek - providing access to our wonderful universe to the general public, at no profit. As SkyLive shared our goals and ideals, we decided to go ahead.

The "Western Observatory" at Grove Creek (housing Telescope 5)

The roof opens from the middle, with 2 motors on the southern side, remote controlling each half of the roof.
This building is located 30 meters west of the main domed observatory,
measuring 5.6 meters x 4.6 meters.
"Telescope 5", (a hardware modified 12" Meade Classic LX-200), is installed on the central concrete / steel pier inside this building.

Steven Williams, the managing astronomer of the Grove Creek Observatory, set-up a test system on the central pier of the western observatory, using a spare Meade 12" LX-200 that had been packed away. This telescope had suffered constant blown motherboards and GOTO motors and was left over from the Wheaton Telescope Project. With very kind permission from Professor Tim Barker from Wheaton College, the old telescope was totally upgraded with a new motherboard, GOTO motors and new secondary mirror holder. Previously, this model of telescope's tracking could not be turned off, without losing its known position in the sky. These extensive upgrades solved those issues and we are very grateful to Prof. Barker, for the gift of the instrument. By using a 2" star diagonal in the optical path for the ST8-XE CCD camera, allows full clearance right to the south pole.

The 12" LX-200 (installed with an Optec NextGEN Widefield 5.0X focal reducer (running the 12" @f/5.9) can take unguided exposures up to 4 minutes (south of -25° declination) but the software can provide auto guiding via the use of the secondary guide chip in the CCD camera. The telescope control software uses no "error mapping" software and with such a well polar aligned system, doesn't requires any - as objects land on the CCD sensor every time. By "right clicking" on the image preview in the client software, enables a user to center the desired object. Auto Astrometry is also available. Other enhancements were made to the telescope, like an addition of a 18VDC (newer Meade telescopes use 12V) trickle charged back-up battery system - that automatically switches on, if mains power is lost. This is so the telescope does not lose its position of the sky. We also installed a laser viewfinder and 2 web cameras, with a red LED that shows the declination setting circle, to assist with monitoring and syncing the telescope remotely.

This new test system then went online and took its "first light" image on the 18th of November, 2007. The SkyLive software points the telescope and operates the CCD cameras on the telescope computer side at Grove Creek, which then communicates via our two-way internet satellite service to the server in Italy. Users then logon to the server, via the use of the interactive free client software. All the software on both the telescope and server sides were written by SkyLive staff - no commercial astronomical software is required, therefore no commercial usage fees are required to be paid. You can even slew the telescope using free planetarium software installed on your PC.

Anyone can watch and download the live CCD images or long exposures as they come down (the live preview image area is updated every 3 seconds) - a yearly club membership fee, to help cover costs, is only charged by SkyLive for users that wish to actually control the telescope and take images themselves. You can even chat to other users, mark an arrow on the screen to a object of interest and discuss the images being taken and ask for support, as each telescope its own live chat box! Now that is cool :-)

 

Modification showing a web camera on a binocular
 tripod mount, screwed into the declination arm.
(Allows staff to use the internet to check the setting circle)

Fixed laser viewfinder used to "sync"
the telescope on a known star.
Fixed lasers are LEGAL. Click here for details.

The "Middle Observatory" at Grove Creek (Housing Telescope 6):
 
The roof opens from the middle, with a motor on the south/east side and another motor on the north/west side.
This building is located 15 meters south/west of the main domed observatory,
measuring 7.08 meters x 4.65 meters.
"Telescope 6" is a vintage C14 on a Astro-Physics 1200GTO mount, installed in the centre of this building.


Automatic Roof Motors were installed by Brett Soames.

Jim Lynch, kindly paid for the completion and motorisation of the middle building at Grove Creek in December, 2007. In exchange for Grove Creek providing free access to our original vintage 1973 C14 (the 3rd ever made by Celestron, with outstanding optics), SkyLive was willing to donate a high quality mount. We decided to purchase a Astro-Physics 1200GTO German Equatorial mount and was very satisfied with the results, after a few Southern Hemisphere bugs were solved in the firmware... The new mount arrived on the 27th of December 2007 and initially, we tested the new mount with a Pentax 100 SDUF Astrograph for very wide field work. Ivan sent out his SBIG ST10-XME CCD camera and CFW-8a 5 position filter wheel to use on this instrument.

After testing was completed, Grove Creek's famous C14 - seen through by thousands of people over 22 years, the 3rd one built by Celestron and well known as having outstanding optics, was installed on the 20th May, 2008. The ST10-XME CCD camera was then swapped to the Meade 12" LX-200 for photometric studies and the SBIG ST8-XE CCD camera (which is a better pixel match) was installed on the C14 running at f/6.92, using a focal reducer and a SBIG CFW10a 10 position filter wheel.

The C14 and ST-8XE provide a field of view of 12.8 arc minutes high, by 19.2 arc minutes wide, with an image scale (aka pixel ratio) of 0.749^secs/pixel at BIN 1x1. We suggest you image at BIN 2x2, where the pixel ratio (image scale) is 1.51^sec/pixel - as 1.5^secs/pixel is the "magic number" of any given CCD and telescope focal length combination. Seeing conditions will normally not exceed this resolution and it "wastes" sensitivity, if the camera is used at full resolution. The results from the C14 and SBIG ST8-XE CCD camera have been staggering, especially since the new narrow-band filters where installed in August 2008 - which where very kindly donated by Marco Angelini. SBIG totally rebuilt the ST-8XE CCD camera in April 2009, after it blew up and we had to use a ST-10XME CCD camera on the C14 for a few months.

Astro-Physics guarantee 1200-GTO mounts to have a periodical error of 5 arc seconds or less, before PEC (Periodical Error Control) software training. However, the performance of the long focal length of 2,457mm of the C14 on this new mount came as somewhat a nice surprise, as the periodical error of the mount was an amazing 2.14 arc second WITHOUT PEC enabled!  This was further trained down to 1.18^sec, using Pempro. This enables unguided exposures if your exposure is less than 4 minutes. For longer exposures, the SkyLive client software enables very accurate auto guiding of this mount by just taking a short 60sec exposure and checking the guide box for the system to locate a guide star and then an exposure of up to 15 minutes can be taken with perfect guiding. Unfortunately, as is normal to some extent with German Equatorial Mounts and large Schmidt Cassegrain Telescopes, we do have a small orthogonal error. This is despite locking the primary mirror and as a result, the pointing can be out as much as 10^mins - however, Ivan Bellia has recently installed automatic pin-point astrometric centring, so objects are always near centre of the chip and automatic software focus checking for every object. Even so, the SkyLive software easily allows you to centre and frame any object you desire. The mount is polar aligned within 1^min of the South Celestial Pole. T-Point has shown us that all errors are "repeatable" so we are working on improving all the minor pointing errors.

 

       

Telescope 6 (Celestron C-14) Filters for the SBIG ST-8XE.
LRGB, Narrow Band and Photometric Par-focal 10 Filter Set:


1-Red, 2-Green, 3-Blue, 4-Luminence (Use as a "Clear Filter"), 5-SII, 6-Ha, 7-OII, 8-Rs, 9-Vis and 10-Bu
The drop down filter selection box in the software lists them as R G B L S H O r V b D (D is for Dark Frame)

Filters 1-4: CCD Colour Imaging Filters.
Astronomik Type2c LRGB

(Click on the above link for filter product information)
With these filters, 1 to 4, you can take true colour images of objects with high transmission. The RGB filters
block IR at ~1150nm. The Luminance filter has UV and IR block coatings (this is the difference between a "clear" filter)
.
The L has the same transmission the RGB filters and gives no colour-shifting when combining LRGB images.

Here is a list of "white" GTV Stars for Colour CCD Imaging Calibration.


LRGB Transmission Curve
(click chart for full size)

Filters 5-7: Deep Sky CCD Imaging Filters.
Astronomik  Sodium II   Hydrogen Alpha   Oxygen III
New wide 13nm bandpass and transmission up to 99%.
(Click on the above filter name link, for full filter product information)

These filters provide stunning details that can not be seen with normal filters for imaging emission lines of nebulae.
In CCD imaging software, you can also substitute the RGB channels as below to create a "Hubble Palette"

SII=Red, Ha=Green, OIII=Blue
Transmission Curves (click charts for full size):

SII Ha OIII

We would like to thank Marco Angelini for the kind donation of the above 7 Astronomik Filters.

Filters 8-10: Astrodon Schuler Photometric rVb filters.
Rs V Bl - Please note that these filters are NOT par-focal
They require re-focusing (right click on preview and select "autofocus")

Telescope 5 (Meade 12" LX-200) Filters for the SBIG ST-10XME.
Astrodon Schuler Photometric Research 5 Filter Set:

The 5 filter positions for the SBIG CFW8a filter wheel are: 1-Rs, 2-V, 3-Bu, 4-Is, 5-Clear
The drop down filter selection box in the software lists them as r V b i C D (D = Dark Frame)

These filters used for photometric studies and are based upon Bessell's 1992 modification of the Johnson-Cousins design.
(The UV filter is not installed. Rather, room was required for a par-focal CLEAR filter).

We would like to thank the AAVSO for supplying the photometric filters.

Our Live Online Weather Station - Protecting the Remote Observatories:

      
The wireless Weather Station showing sensors (Cloud Sensor at top) and receiver system.

The Server PC in the main observatory control room constantly sends out data from our Weather Station and Boltwood Cloud Sensor over the LAN to the computers that control the telescopes for roof protection. The Boltwood Cloud Sensor uploads a useful live cloud graph every 5 minutes to our web site. It not only monitors cloud conditions but it is so sensitive, that only a tiny sprinkling of rain is needed to instantly trigger the observatory roofs to close and lock. The cloud sensor is that white, angled tube at the top of the mast. The weather station will also signal the roof  to close if the relative humidity is greater than 95%, wind gust greater than 20kms/h, the satellite internet connection is lost, mains power goes down (the roof motors have 24VDC battery backup) or if the sun is about to rise. We use the Oregon Scientific, model WMR918, wireless professional weather station (shown above) to safeguard the remote observatories. The weather station also provides the Trunkey Creek area with helpful online weather information and detailed historic data. For this, we use the FreeWX Weather Software written by Andy Keir, which reads the data from the serial port on the weather station to display useful weather data in a graphical form and uploads this data via FTP every 5 minutes to our Online Weather Web Page. We also have a G-Star night-sky video camera, to send live wide field images of the night sky.

Click here to visit our Live Weather Station.
If you are a SkyLive user, this link is a
MUST to use - bookmark it now!

Would you like a small graphical program that updates LIVE from our weather station?
Download the FreeWX web client for Windows 98/XP/Vista, unzip and install.
Read the enclosed readme.txt file for installation

Anyone can logon, chat to other users and view the live CCD images for free. If you want to control the telescopes
and take images yourself, there is a yearly club membership fee of €150 (Euro) for shared use of all 6 telescopes.
All membership fees go to improving the SkyLive service and SkyLive is a non profit organisation.
Guest users must not request paid members to take images for them and 1 account per person.

The Grove Creek Observatory does not receive any membership funds - Grove Creek staff share telescope use.
Enquires about membership fees and support must be directed to SkyLive Grove Creek does not offer online support.


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